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Nguyễn Phú Trọng in September 2023
Nguyễn Phú Trọng

Glossary

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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

Nomination steps

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Headers

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  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
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    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item

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Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

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  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page.
  3. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible.

Please do not...

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  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
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  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates

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There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

  • Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors.
  • Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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Archives of posted stories: Wikipedia:In the news/Posted/Archives

July 20

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2024 Syrian parliamentary election

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Article: 2024 Syrian parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Syria, Bashar al-Assad's (pictured) Ba'ath Party wins the 2024 Syrian parliamentary election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Syria, the Ba'ath Party (leader Bashar al-Assad pictured) is declared the winner of the parliamentary election
News source(s): AP/ABC Al Arabiya
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Was it a free and fair election, no, but it was still a national election and deserves a spot in the news per ITNR Scu ba (talk) 03:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 19

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Science and technology


RD: Ray Reardon

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Article: Ray Reardon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Welsh professional snooker player and six time world champion. Fats40boy11 (talk) 11:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kevan Gosper

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Article: Kevan Gosper (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 7News
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian sprinter and IOC administrator. 240F:7A:6253:1:B4E6:BF25:CCA1:9374 (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Sheila Jackson Lee

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Article: Sheila Jackson Lee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Announcement via her official Twitter, CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American congressional representative from Houston. Will update with a proper news source once available - CNN reported it live just minutes ago. The Kip (contribs) 03:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Supporrt Blurb, shes an incumbent congresswomen Lukt64 (talk) 06:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, barring maybe the sitting House Speaker, a single congressperson doesn’t come particularly close to the level of a blurb. The Kip (contribs) 07:09, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Iryna Farion

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Article: Iryna Farion (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kyiv Independent
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Ukrainian politician who was assassinated in Lviv. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Toumani Diabaté

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Article: Toumani Diabaté (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Point
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mooonswimmer 22:46, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories

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Article: ICJ case on Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Court of Justice finds the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories to be a violation of international law. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian Reuters Haaretz
Credits:

Article updated

Boud (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support as the court noted, this ruling has significance beyond Israel and Palestine (t · c) buidhe 23:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good. Very notable indeed. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, notable and far beyond the scope of the ongoing war (the request for the case was registered by the ICJ in January 2023). I'm afraid the "Reactions" section might be a bit too unbalanced, as the vast majority of the people quoted are Israeli politicians. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for notability and international significance. ArkHyena (talk) 01:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability particularly because the ruling says Israel "should put an end to its illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories, desist from creating new settlements, and evacuate those already established." Currently, the formatting of the reactions section is suboptimal, and should be broken into subsections; for example, see the South Africa's genocide case against Israel article. Gödel2200 (talk) 01:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per above. BilledMammal (talk) 02:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability and quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 02:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Somewhat oppose on quality only - the "Oral Presentation" and "Reactions" sections, as typical, are just lists of any thrown reaction to this ruling and should be neither trying to be complete nor simply presented as a list. The Oral Presentations should likely be made into a narrative to describe the major points made by the countries as a group, for example, not how each country presented. Also, if we can indicate that this is a non-binding verdict (because Israel, nor the US for that matter have signed onto the ICJ recognition) in the blurb, that would be helpful. --Masem (t) 02:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per all above. The Kip (contribs) 02:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support And for once I have no concern with the list-y sections. The first is a part of the court proceedings, right? And it's well-written even if it looks like flag soup from a glance. The reactions is not the best, but it's less "X from Country said thoughts and prayers" and more relevant people reflecting on material consequences. Do I like the bullet layout for the reactions? Not particularly, but (even considering the page protection) it seems like a valid way to stop that section becoming a repository for unsubstantial responses. Kingsif (talk) 03:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    the problem with the court proceedings is that we don't normally document cases to that level. When and where they happened, sure, and the broad scope of the arguments, but just listing what each country said without further context is not really helpful. — Masem (t) 04:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominal support: Significant ruling from the ICJ, but as we did not post previous ICJ rulings on the conflict, I am not sure whether there is a precedent for posting this either. Tofusaurus (talk) 03:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The most recent ICJ case proposed for posting was the South Africa v Israel genocide case in January, but iirc that was a preliminary ruling and was also considerably more weak in content (basically politely asked Israel to not commit genocidal acts, and politely asked Hamas to release the hostages), so it ultimately didn't develop consensus to post. By comparison, this is a far more concrete ruling, and this case has been running since long before the war broke out anyways. The Kip (contribs) 05:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per all above MAL MALDIVE (talk) 06:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As Israel isn't part of this system and the court has no way to enforce its rulings, the impact should be as minimal as when another uninvolved party declares as much. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 09:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Nguyen Phu Trong

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Article: Nguyen Phu Trong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  General Secretary and former President of Vietnam Nguyễn Phú Trọng dies at the age of 80. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooonswimmer (talkcontribs) 12:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) July 2024 global cyber outages

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Article: July 2024 global cyber outages (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A faulty software update causes global cyber outages. (Post)
News source(s): skynews
Credits:

Article needs updating

Article hasn't been updated but if reporting accurate then this is definitely notable enough. Impacts include flight groundings and emergency phone services. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe worth creating a 2024 CrowdStrike outages article? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks to be at July 2024 global IT outages currently. Ionmars10 (talk) 07:37, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alright we ball. Draft:2024 CrowdStrike outages [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 07:41, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: M. S. Valiathan

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Article: M. S. Valiathan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Eminent cardiac surgeon and MAHE's first Vice-Chancellor Dr M S Valiathan passes away
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Added some references. Still there is manual of style tag in the article. Pachu Kannan (talk) 09:24, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 18

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2024 Nigerian general strike

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Article: 2024 Nigerian general strike (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Nigerian government and trade unions agree to a national minimum wage increase, concluding weeks of negotiations after a nationwide general strike. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters; Bloomberg; This Day
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Grnrchst (talk) 12:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The article says that "The country's national grid and its airports were shut down on 3 June 2024, as were banks, hospitals and schools...The following day, the NLC and TUC suspended the strike, pending talks with the government over raising the minimum wage.", but it does not indicate that a situation like that was occurring at the time the deal was agreed upon. I think that this would only warrant a blurb if something at the scale of what was happening on 3 June was also happening at the time of the resolution. Gödel2200 (talk) 02:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Cheng Pei-pei

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Article: Cheng Pei-pei (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Chinese actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 02:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Filmography seems to be a common stumbling block. Bremps... 19:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Abner Haynes

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Article: Abner Haynes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Sports
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Member of the Chiefs Hall of Fame. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Lou Dobbs

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Article: Lou Dobbs (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Newsweek
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Relatively good shape. Natg 19 (talk) 20:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Newhart

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Article: Bob Newhart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Needs work, but a big name in entertainment.Natg 19 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Fresia Saavedra

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Article: Fresia Saavedra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Universo
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 17

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RD: Pat Williams (basketball)

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Article: Pat Williams (basketball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

NBA executive and co-founder of the Orlando Magic. 240F:7A:6253:1:D4D8:CC5F:57E2:43F2 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bernice Johnson Reagon

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Article: Bernice Johnson Reagon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Thriley (talk) 01:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready same issues remain. Bremps... 19:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement

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Article: 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Bangladesh, protests against the reinstatement of the Quota system of Bangladesh Civil Service leave six people dead. (Post)
News source(s): Gulf News
Credits:

Ongoing protests in Bangladesh. The article needs some copyediting, and currently has an empty section. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Despite a frowned-upon gallery section, the article seem alright for mainpage posting. Seems major. Bremps... 19:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I agree with you on both points. 64.114 etc 19:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The Kip has a point to this. Solid article, growing protests. 209.121.102.221 (talk) 20:29, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now until something substantial happens. Protests are commonplace in every corner of the world and are not automatically ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, six people died. Hundreds are wounded. Bremps... 21:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now Not the best prose and poorly formatted. Of dubious notability for ITN Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – The copyedit tag is a bit of a problem, but I think the article is in a good state overall. I think the correct date for this is probably July 16, when the Chhatra League fired on university students. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support clearly important to a lot of people Kasperquickly (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Important and well-cited article. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 09:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Apart from a lot of poor prose, there are uncited statements (some contentious) together with a lot of "he said, she said" material which doesn't appear to match the sources. For example, the sentence In light of these events, the Prime Minister questioned the education of the protesters and described their behaviour as "very regrettable" is sourced to this, so the first part of the sentence is synthesis from the source, and the words "very regrettable" don't appear at all. Or this section In the early hours of 16 July, at around 12:15 am, members of the Chhatra League attacked Jahangirnagar University students using firearms is sourced to this in which firearms aren't mentioned. And this is just a couple of the English sources I've looked at, not being able to read Bengali which makes up at least half of the sources. Black Kite (talk) 10:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Over 100 deaths[1], total mobile internet shutdown, 7.5 million Bangladeshi diaspora can’t communicate with their relatives, they have no connection with their family and beloved one, don’t know even if they are death or alive, [2] military curfew imposed [3] [4]!! We guys can wait and carry on other best/important things!! Pathetic world!! 2A0A:A546:7913:0:A5AA:AB38:D931:A81D (talk) 05:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Morrow (commentator)

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Article: David Morrow (commentator) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Australian sports commentator. 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk) 13:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article is in good shape with no CN tags. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 05:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that his death should appear in the body of the article and once that's done, this is good to go. Schwede66 02:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Muscat mosque shooting

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Article: 2024 Muscat mosque shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A mass shooting at a mosque in Muscat, Oman, leaves nine people dead and more than thirty others injured. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, Reuters, AP News, France 24
Credits:

Ainty Painty (talk) 04:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability such incidents are rare occurrence in Oman and majority of deaths are of foreign citizens therefore it is notable but article currently needs a bit expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability I agree with the Prince of Punjab. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:1441:FA7C:FF75:8B58 (talk) 06:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support; it is sure agreeable that rare occurrences are notable for being rare.2605:8D80:325:ABB8:9C9B:AB1E:5AFC:DE95 (talk) 06:03, 17 July 2024 (UTC) Incoherent rationale. Struck through. Bremps... 19:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC) [reply]
What’s with the sudden increase in these oddly-worded/near-nonsensical votes popping up on ITN/C lately? This is at least the fourth or fifth vote I’ve seen from an IP in the last few weeks that could’ve conceivably been AI-generated. The Kip (contribs) 07:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's... weird. I don't think it's AI, but I'm far from certain. Kicking222 (talk) 13:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support even though the article does need a bit of an expansion. 64.114 etc 06:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Should mention in the blurb that this is the first instance of ISIS launching an attack in Oman. Bremps... 19:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, with no comment on quality (haven't read the article yet). Oman is arguably the most peaceful country in the Middle East, so a massacre there—especially if it was done by ISIS or any other terrorist organization—is highly notable. Kurtis (talk) 02:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Who, what, where, when, why and how are answered. It'd be best if we mention that Oman has never suffered an ISIS attack before. Bremps... 02:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Rwandan general election

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Article: 2024 Rwandan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Paul Kagame (pictured) is re-elected to a fourth term in the 2024 Rwandan general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In an election criticized for being unfair, Paul Kagame (pictured) is re-elected to a fourth term as president and the Rwanda Patriotic Front and allied parties win a majority in the parliament.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is of sufficient quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 03:25, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This election is of... dubious, shall we say, fairness and the article does not fully reflect that reality. Bremps... 04:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TLDR only two of the eight candidates who wanted to run against Kagame were allowed to run, and Kagame allegedly won 99% of the vote. Bremps... 04:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This was a sham election and the article does not show that. Also, WP:ITNELECTIONS mentions Changes in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government but he has been in his office for almost two and a half decades now. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this was marked as ITNR because it was a general election, not because it was a change in the executive. Gödel2200 (talk) 13:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the blurb have no mention of the parliamentary elections and mentions only the presidential one. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current blurb mentions the general election as a whole, which includes both the parliamentary and presidential ones. It explicitly mentions the reelection of Kagame as he is the executive, but it certainly could also mention the results in the parliament. Gödel2200 (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per PrinceOfPunjab. If it does end up posted, I’d support using the “announced as the winner of the election” wording we’ve had for previous elections of dubious fairness. The Kip (contribs) 07:07, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, the article is still ITN/R as a general election, but the article does not mention the parliament's election results at all. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 07:53, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. While probably not "free and fair", the election did actually take place and the people did vote for Kagame, so this election is covered by ITN/R and we've generally always posted it in the past. It might be good for the "aftermath" section to mention any international organisations saying it wasn't free and fair, but I'm not sure there are any yet. No doubt when that happens, we can update the article but for now I think it's good to go. I've also updated the results to show the provisional figures for parliament.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose we don't know how many people actually voted for Kagame. Significant election fraud is not out of the question. It would require sources to claim this election is different from the many sham elections held in Rwanda since 1994. (t · c) buidhe 23:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per PrinceofPunjab. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:43, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article sort of explains why the election was not free and fair - i.e. real opponents of Kagame are barred from even standing in the first place, the other "candidates" are Government-approved ones to ensure the appearance of democracy - but it should be (and needs to be) a lot clearer. Currently a casual reader would assume that Kagame is enthusiastically backed by nearly 100% of the Rwandan population, whereas in reality the claim that turnout was 98% is ... fanciful. Black Kite (talk) 11:44, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Amakuru. Wikipedia gives cited facts so readers can draw their own conclusions. This article meets NPOV adequately already, and when more refs regarding its lack of fairness should come, those would be welcome too. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 15:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Amakuru, although I do believe the election was unfair it's still a election which was voted for. We should add sources saying if the election was fair or not when they come Sharrdx (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- unfair and unfree election is not ITNR. --RockstoneSend me a message! 20:17, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not presumed notable, but not necessarily non-notable. Bremps... 21:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Blaylockjam10 @Chaotic Enby @Andrew Davidson @PrinceofPunjab @Black Kite I've added more to the article hopefully demonstrating more critically the way the election was not free and fair. Let me know if the article still needs more work in that department. I've also updated the altblurb with more details & with slightly different wording (including the results of the parliamentary election). Let me know if that needs more work as well (in particular - is it too long for ITN standards?) Staraction (talk | contribs) 22:35, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support Much better now. Bremps... 00:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's the blurb that's the issue rather than the article. Presenting this in a formulaic way is a false equivalence which misleads the reader. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per norm, it's a national election. Scu ba (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Although notable and the article is looking better, I oppose the current blurb per PrinceofPunjab and The Kip. The current blurb is misleading by omission. It misleads the reader into a sense of equivalency by using the same terminology we have used for actual free and fair elections. I do support altblurb. FlipandFlopped 01:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability—A glorified referendum on Kagame's continued dictatorship it is, and the blurb should make this clear, but it's an actual election in a de jure "democracy". It merits a mention on the main page. Kurtis (talk) 02:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted, there's no section in the article on how it was not free or fair, Stephen 02:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting straw poll on changing it to "declared winner" This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:09, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As stated above, I support this as the default when the election isn’t considered free/fair by RSes. The Kip (contribs) 03:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As long as the article is updated to align to any wording that you want here. Stephen 03:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support "declared winner" I think the following is enough:

    The only three presidential candidates allowed to run were the same as from 2017, where Kagame won with more than 98% of the vote. DW described the election as a "re-run of the non-contest in 2017."[27] Amnesty International criticized the censorship of opposition in the race as having "a chilling effect and limits the space for debate for people of Rwanda". The Independent described the election as "widely criticised as unfair."[4]

    Bremps... 06:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's fine as is I would think. I'm not a fan of editorialising in blurbs, and while this argument comes up time and time again here for Russian, Rwandan and other elections I don't think we've ever deviated from the simple statement of who won and leaving the detail to the article. And therefore it would be wrong to carve out an exception for this specific case. If there's a prior precedent then please point it out to me. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 07:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    comment here's an easy solution, just mention the percentage of the vote (99%) that he got, that should tell everyone with an iq of above like 3 what that election was like Kasperquickly (talk) 09:21, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Won't work, since reporting isn't done. Well, "reporting". Bremps... 15:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    that should tell everyone with an iq of above like 3 what that election was like
    As you've been told before, quit it with the personalized commentary. The Kip (contribs) 19:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    For the Russian election, the blurb was

    Vladimir Putin is announced to be the winner of the Russian presidential election, securing a fifth term.

    That’s still too weak for my taste & I’d write it as “announced as” instead of “announced to be”, but it’s better than the current blurb for the Rwandan election. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Peter Courtney

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Article: Peter Courtney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oregonian
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Article updated
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, article in good shape. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is ready to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 05:01, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PostedBagumba (talk) 22:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joe Bryant

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Article: Joe Bryant (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Article updated
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Kobe's father and professional player and coach. Needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose at least three cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added more refs, needs one for international coaching record, though perhaps that section could just be removed. Natg 19 (talk) 17:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jacques Boudet

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Article: Jacques Boudet (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro
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Article updated
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French actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:64A3:5EA7:A3BF:F045 (talk) 09:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Peter Buxtun

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Article: Peter Buxtun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): PBS NewsHour
Credits:
Article updated
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Whistleblower who revealed the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. He died back in May, but from what I can tell, it was reported in reliable sources on July 15. Legoktm (talk) 16:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjabTALK 04:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Norm Hewitt

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Article: Norm Hewitt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Zealand Herald
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Article updated
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New Zealand All Blacks rugby union player. 240F:7A:6253:1:3588:1738:72A2:F85A (talk) 07:12, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there is an cn tag and Career highlights list needs more more sources. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chinese cooking oil scandal

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Article: Food safety incidents in China (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Chinese cooking oil scandal (Post)
News source(s): DW
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Article updated
"The investigative report into the latest scandal revealed that two tanker trucks had been loaded with cooking oil for delivery immediately after carrying chemical products, a cost-saving measure that the media said had become an "open secret" in the supply chain." Count Iblis (talk) 17:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose One sentence update is not sufficient for a posting.
Noah, BSBATalk 17:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Two dirty tanker trucks is relatively insignificant.
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(Posted) 2024 Copa América final

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Article: 2024 Copa América final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Argentina defeat Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Argentina defeats Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, the 2024 Copa América final ends 1-0, Argentina over Colombia.
News source(s): The Athletic
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article is well-referenced as of nomination, with a few updates being added. — MarkH21talk 04:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) UEFA Euro 2024 final

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Article: UEFA Euro 2024 final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Spain defeat England to win UEFA Euro 2024. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Spain wins the UEFA Euro 2024, defeating England.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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The article for the final may need some sourcing work. Gödel2200 (talk) 20:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per answer above; in principle. 2604:3D08:9476:BE00:4DE:B079:824F:421A (talk) 21:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the final as the primary article as it seems quite perfunctory, doesn't provide any narrative for the game and needs work for issues like tense. The UEFA Euro 2024 article would be better as the primary article as it covers the entire event but that needs work too. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Those oppose votes that the article on the final lacks a prose recap of the match only 20 minutes after its end are very unproductive and may delay posting this because the majority of admins here blindly count votes. We all know that this won’t be posted in the next two hours, at least.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: The prose summary has been started and is well-referenced. No preference for primary-linked article or wording in the blurb. — MarkH21talk 21:34, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SUPPORT! Apparently, it’s agreeable that the summary is well authentically referenced with good citations. 207.194.85.134 (talk) 23:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well this is clearly an AI chatbot re-writing of the !vote directly above... Kingsif (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good to go. Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 02:06, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If both this blurb and the next Copa América one are posted, they could be merged into one blurb to avoid repetition (e.g: In association football, Spain defeat England to win UEFA Euro 2024, and Argentina defeat Colombia to win the 2024 Copa América.) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 09:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's wise to merge them as it may delude people that it's a single event or two closely related events, especially when we have a combined blurb on the Wimbledon Championships already on the main page.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, they are completely separate events. Every year we get a glut of sporting ITN/Rs around this time, it's just one of those things. Black Kite (talk) 11:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But it would avoid the tiff of which one gets posted on top and in turn lasts longer. I get they are different events, but still "continent level championship for national teams in the same sport at the same time" is close enough that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. But no strong opinion either way, just seems like it would avoid some drama. nableezy - 17:57, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose on quality (and unmarked as Ready). Four sentences of prose on the entire final match is not sufficient. Black Kite (talk) 11:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support there really is nothing more you can write about the match, the quality is good enough Reme77 (talk) 12:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Evan Wright

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Article: Evan Wright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
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Author of Generation Kill. Article could use some reorganizing (I'm new to this so lmk if I'm doing this wrong). CrazyMagicPickle (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait good is in a good shape, only thing holding it back is that the Published works section needs sourcing. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Wimbledon 2024

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Article: 2024 Wimbledon Championships (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, Barbora Krejčíková and Carlos Alcaraz (pictured) win the women's and men's singles respectively at the Wimbledon Championships. (Post)
News source(s): NYT - The Washington Post
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

I think the article is in a good enough shape to be posted. PrinceofPunjabTALK 16:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jacoby Jones

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Article: Jacoby Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:

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American football wide receiver. Article needs a decent bit of work. The Kip (contribs) 16:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait Houston Texans orange tag needs to be resolved otherwise good to go. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:50, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shannen Doherty

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Article: Shannen Doherty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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(Closed) Suspension of Alice Guo

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Article: Alice Guo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Bamban, Tarlac mayor Alice Guo is suspended after her actual identity is revealed to be Chinese. (Post)
News source(s): Rappler Inquirer Philstar
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Really big incident in the Philippines, a lot of news sources talking about it, I might as well try to put it on the main page.🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Subnational incident that doesn't rise to the level of impact required for a main page posting.
Noah, BSBATalk 11:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Ron E Sparks

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Article: Ron E Sparks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 9News
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Article updated
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Australian radio presenter. 240F:7A:6253:1:A573:E493:327E:FFAE (talk) 13:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quite a few citation needed tags. Schwede66 01:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ruth Hesse

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Article: Ruth Hesse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Violin Channel
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Article updated
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German mezzo-soprano who made an international career starting at the Vienna State Opera in big roles in 1965. The article was basically there, translated from de. I had to find references for recordings, and some that disappeared over the five years since it was DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Naomi Pomeroy

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Article: Naomi Pomeroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Oregon Live
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Article updated
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American chef. 240F:7A:6253:1:5:1EE6:C9D5:AA47 (talk) 03:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support meets the Bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:51, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: P. Buckley Moss

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Article: P. Buckley Moss (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News Virginian
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Article updated
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American artist and philanthropist. 240F:7A:6253:1:5:1EE6:C9D5:AA47 (talk) 03:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait article needs a bit work. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James B. Sikking

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Article: James B. Sikking (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, The Hollywood Reporter, Variety
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Article updated
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American actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:B0BC:D35C:F470:BF2D (talk) 05:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose uncited filmography/discography. But aside from that, there's a massive uncited list of movies in paragraph form that needs to be fixed. Bremps... 22:36, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose same as what Bremps said. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally

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Article: 2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former President of the United States Donald Trump survives an assassination attempt after being shot during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Donald Trump was injured after being shot during a rally held in Butler, Pennsylvania with the perpetrator being shot dead.
Alternative blurb II: ​ One person is killed and two others are injured, including former U.S. president Donald Trump, in a shooting at a political rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Former U.S. president Donald Trump survives an assassination attempt at a political rally in Butler, Pennsylvania.
News source(s): The New York Times, AP
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Probably the most serious security incident involving Donald Trump. Trump survived the assassination attempt. 2 people were injured, and the perpetrator and an audience was killed. Currently reported live by major news sites worldwide. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁=☁=✈) 23:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, now a shooting has been confirmed. Trump is injured. The perpetrator and an audience member died. This country is going to suffer extreme political violence in the coming weeks, so it was nice knowing you. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have sources for any of that? None of it is on the BBC live feed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:30, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here is one: 1 Gödel2200 (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. That message was labelled '4 min ago' as I saw it. Could we perhaps all slow down a little and not try to push this story onto the home page while it's still developing? GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The original source appears to be local DA speaking to various media. Different media have different threshold for single/double/triple confirmation before reporting something big. Which is why there's some reporting of dead shooter in some media but not others. Wait until it's reported across major media before referencing such if it's considered to be included with a blurb. -- KTC (talk) 23:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Injured? Trump's people are saying he's fine. Nfitz (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not unreasonable to say injured when there's literally video of him with blood coming out of his ear, whether through being shot, hit his head on something during the whole incident or a USSS agent accidentally whacking him in the head as they cover him with their bodies. -- KTC (talk) 23:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They’re saying he’s alive. Personisinsterest (talk) 23:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wafflefrites (talk) 23:53, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not re: your vote Wafflefrites, but just so you know: it seems that the shooter was on a rooftop outside the rally. Zanahary 00:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Holy shit. Bremps... 00:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - this is a significant and recent news story Enoryt nwased lamaj (talk) 00:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note He was injured as a result of the shooting, there is (I haven't seen) as yet no confirmation that he was shot, so neither of the proposed blurb is okay as it stand. -- KTC (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support posting but Strong Oppose current blurb and alternative. Former President of the United States Donald Trump injured in assassination attempt at campaign rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. Dr Fell (talk) 00:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not sure how else you can interpret this as anything other than an assassination attempt. Scu ba (talk) 00:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not up to Wikipedia editors to "interpret" an event. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia is a tertiary source, and luckily we are not saddled with the task of interpreting events—only repeating the reports of reliable secondary sources. It'll become clear in the next few hours how sources are treating this (and I'll be surprised if it's not as an assassination attempt, considering the report I read about the local police investigating it as an attempt on DJT's life). Zanahary 00:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb3 This was an assassination attempt. "was injured" is ambiguous. — hako9 (talk) 00:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Assassination attempt or not, there's no question that one person was shot dead at an event involving a former U.S. president. As I write this the story at NY Times' website says "Trump ‘Safe’ After Shooting at Rally; Suspect Is Killed". This is a no brainer for main page. ☆ Bri (talk) 00:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There’s no ambiguity around this shooting happening and being notable. CNN has already reported this is being investigated as an assassination attempt. Delay this further is absurd. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - No need to wait as article is cited and will grow as we speak. Morogris () 00:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Further international coverage, [3] from the ABC, who had a reporter on site, and who describes one of the dead as "the person who fired shots in the former president's direction". Elsewhere, the same page says "Associated Press is reporting that the shooting is being investigated as an assassination attempt", "Washington Post reporter Meryl Kornfield says authorities told her Mr Trump was grazed by gunfire", and our ambassador and former PM Kevin Rudd has released a statement regarding "the attack on former President Trump". Nyttend (talk) 00:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Incident itself has been confirmed. --DannyC55 (Talk) 00:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Posted. El_C 00:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This image cannot be used, as it is likely a copyrighted image, and not fair use. Natg 19 (talk) 00:55, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for reasons stated above. We certainly cannot mention numbers at the moment, as they will quickly get outdated. Ornov Ganguly (talk) 00:58, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We routinely post major events involving casualties, and then update the blurb as the facts warrant. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:22, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Blurb should be re-written to stick to the known facts. No investigative body has concluded that it's an assassination attempt, but they are investigating it as such. So the confirmed information: 2 dead, there was a shooting, Trump was injured, they're inestigating it as an assassination attempt. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I think outright labelling it as an assassination attempt is projection on Wikipedia's part. I don't think any reliable sources have labelled it as such. Even the article itself just says it is being "investigated as an assassination attempt" but doesn't outright label it an assassination attempt. At the very least the blurb should reflect what is written in the article it is relating to. RahelTensions (talk) 01:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change blurb to ALT2 per @Harizotoh9. Even though it is fairly obvious that it was an assassination attempt this has not been confirmed and RS have only said it's being investigated as an assassination attempt, not that it was. ALT2 reflects the current facts of the situation. Jbvann05 01:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh and there were two confirmed deaths so the Alt2 blurb is out of date already. One rally attendee and the shooter. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've softened to possible assassination attempt, for now. El_C 01:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    FBI confirms assassination attempt. Was gonna omit possible, but it looks like Ad Orientem beat me to it. El_C 05:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb2 As per Jbvann then swap back to altblurb3 when confirmed. Sharrdx (talk) 03:15, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Change blurb to Alt2 Mentioning that someone was killed makes it the best description of what happened. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Change to Altblurb2 "investigated as an assassination attempt" =/= "confirmed assassination attempt." Goal and motive still not know, so we should avoid assuming on what it is. Unless we get a RS stating that it's not just being "investigated as an assassination attempt" but outright declared as one, the ITN should not claim it as such. Nottheking (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The FBI specifically called it an assassination attempt. RahelTensions (talk) 05:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The incident is obviously interesting and in the news but it doesn't seem sufficiently certain, settled and stable to be suitable for presentation as an encyclopedia article. Issues include:
  1. Biden and Trump are both continually in the news as the presidential campaign progresses. For example, Biden's gaffes and the pressure on him to retire have been all over the news lately. It seems difficult to cherry-pick particular incidents in a balanced way and so the whole thing better belongs in Ongoing.
  2. The article about the incident is still a work-in-progress. For example, it currently uses a powerful image as fair use but the validity of this copyright issue is contested and unresolved.
  3. The incident is a crime but investigations are not yet complete. For example, the BBC reports that the shooter was spotted crawling into position minutes ahead of the shooting but nothing was done. The article does not yet explain this.
  4. There's already a big cloud of social media speculation, disinformation and misinformation out there which muddies the waters.
  5. We really don't need Donald Trump's smiling picture on the main page once again.
Andrew🐉(talk) 06:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. If 'In the news' covered everyday campaign news, concern about cherry-picking events in a balanced way would be justified. Certain events within the presidential campaign are independently newsworthy. An assassination attempt on a former president and current presidential candidate is a significant (and likely historical) event.
  2. Featuring relevant and timely news often means linking to articles that are neither settled nor stable. The article is unambiguously flagged as a current event.
  3. You've repeated your concern about developing stories featuring in 'In the news.' The utility of 'In the news' is reduced for users if articles are only featured once they have matured.
  4. On the contrary, featuring this story helps combat social media speculation, disinformation, and misinformation by offering readers a fact-based resource.
  5. Your last point significantly weakens the preceding four.
Dr Fell (talk) 17:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITN has moved on and so these points are mostly moot now. But the red link for Dr Fell is a nice puzzle and I fancy I have a solution. Now that's encyclopædic – well done! Andrew🐉(talk) 20:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support We recently posted Robert Fico’s assassination attempt, so it’s sensible to post a similar event involving a former US president and a clear front-runner in this year’s election. Yes, it seems like we post a lot of news about him, but we’re closely approaching the election and the next news to post should be his victory.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Slightly jumping ahead of the electoral process there, aren't you? GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The user did jump the gun a bit, but I have a gut feeling that Trump's face is going to get on ITN at least six more times before he dies (win or lose this election) then again after he does. Bremps... 12:00, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I now support the posting (although I don't think we need the picture - it's still not related to the story). It was the 'should be his victory' part that seems wildly premature! GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) KP Sharma Oli becomes PM of Nepal

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Article: KP Sharma Oli (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: KP Sharma Oli (pictured) is appointed Prime Minister of Nepal following the ouster of incumbent Pushpa Kamal Dahal in a no confidence motion. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

-. Rushtheedtior (talk) 16:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article is well-sourced and of sufficient quality for ITN --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Many very reliable authentic citations and sources in an article of sufficient quality, like above. 64.251.82.42 (talk) 02:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Notable and of passable quality. Deprecated controversy section, but oh well, nothing's perfect. Bremps... 04:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: I believe that this is ready for posting. Bremps... 12:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Richard Simmons

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Article: Richard Simmons (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Mooonswimmer 20:50, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose RIP to such an amazing person. But, the article still has various cn and other tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:57, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No tags now. Kire1975 (talk) 02:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I count five citation needed tags. Schwede66 01:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about now? Kire1975 (talk) 04:55, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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