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Dispute over Taylor Swift album in Current events page

There is currently a low-scale edit war on whether to include the release of the Taylor Swift album on Portal:Current events/2024 April 19. I would not have thought this was in dispute, given that we have a firmly established heading for Current events called Arts and culture which would clearly fit the situation. We have consistently added many items here related to film, music, literature, and the like. Yet here we are.

The main charge of Wikipedia:In the news says it "serves to direct readers to articles that have been substantially updated to reflect recent or current events of wide interest. ITN supports the central purpose of Wikipedia—making a great encyclopedia." The release of this album is clearly in scope here.

Therefore, instead of undoing each other, can we please discuss this in a civil manner here, instead of leaving terse and unproductive edit summaries such as: "not notable" or "Promotional, irrelevant" or "not important"? Most of these amount to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. - Fuzheado | Talk 19:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A log of the back and forth:


Diff	User	Action	Edit summary
[1]	Fuzheado	Addition	add Taylor Swift article
[2]	Dubstar44	Removal	not important
[3]	Fuzheado	Addition	Undid revision 1219744226 by Dubstar44 (talk) - most certainly news worthy
[4]	46.222.106.54	Removal	Promotional, irrelevant
[5]	Fuzheado	Addition	Undid revision 1219766349 by 46.222.106.54 (talk) - restore, not a valid reason to remove this
[6]	2003:f0...(IPv6)	Removal	no edit summary
[7]	Pithon314	Addition	The album release is a notable event for arts and culture and this is not simply promotional undid revision 1219766349 by 46.222.106.54 (talk)
[8]	Gimmethegepgun	Removal	not notable
[9]	Pithon314	Addition	Re-adding Taylor Swift album with a more reliable source and one explanation of notability in description
[10]	Alsoriano97	Removal	Unnotable. This is not a commercial portal. Do not re-add it again.
[11]	Fuzheado	Addition	Undid revision 1219906377 by Alsoriano97 (talk) - removing arts and culture content, whether it is music, film, literary just because it is "commerical" is not supported by policy and inappropriate. WP:NOTCENSORED
[12]	Alsoriano97	Removal	You have completely missed the point of my comment. There has been another editor who has deleted it for some reason, and it should be kept removed. This kind of news has never been posted. Be serious
[13]	Fuzheado	Addition	Undid revision 1219922027 by Alsoriano97 (talk) - You are wrong. There are plenty of arts/culture content that is posted to Current events. Respect WP:BRD and bring it to the talk page. Other editors have restored it too

Fuzheado | Talk 19:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it because it's a release of an album. We don't comment every release of a movie or anyone else's album. The improved one by Pithon314 that expanded on it by saying it was the most-streamed ever makes me more ambivalent about its inclusion.

Also, you're the one who violated BRD by reverting Dubstar44's reversion instead of discussing --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 19:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you say is common sense. I fully subscribe to what you say. To open a discussion for this... _-_Alsor (talk) 19:59, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are not a very experienced editor, so I'm going to WP:AGF here. What BRD means is to revert to the status quo (which was my addition) then discuss. The fact is, this is notable, fits within the charge of ITN, and has a long precedent of being newsworthy for Wikipedia. - Fuzheado | Talk 20:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The status quo was the article prior to your bold addition of an album release --Gimmethegepgun (talk) 20:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for watching out for promotional content Gimmethegepgun. I agree with you that we should not add simply promotional content to Portal:Current events, hence why I tried to add at least one explanation of its notability in my second re-addition. I wanted to expand upon the explanation of notability of The Tortured Poets Department in a discussion since the blurbs in the portal should remain short. First, this album release was widely covered across many media outlets, here are some I found: CBS News, ABC, NPR, Washington Post, and Reuters. As I mentioned in the second edit, the album broke the record for most-streamed album in a single day and Swift became the most-streamed artist in a single day. As now mentioned in the intro paragraph for The Tortured Poets Department, the album had the largest pre-order sum in the history of the retailer Target. This is Taylor Swift's first non re-recorded album to be released since the start of "Swiftmania" that has had a large economic and cultural impact. The frenzy caused her to become the Time Person of the Year in 2023. For these reasons, many of the sources I list all describe the album has "highly anticipated". These are the main reasons I think that the album release is notable and newsworthy beyond just a promotion. --Pithon314 (talk) 07:08, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of the superlatives in the most recent version of the blurb were supported by the cited source. It says the album was the most-streamed on Spotify, not the most-streamed by any service. And it says she broke her own record for Spotify's most-streamed artist in a day - she "became" that in 2023, not now - and, again, the blurb simply said she was the most-streamed artist, not the most-streamed on Spotify. It may well be that in both cases most-streamed-ever-on-Spotify is synonymous with most-streamed-ever - it's even quite likely - but we can't claim that if the cited source doesn't. (I do acknowledge that you properly qualified the initial versions of these claims with "On Spotify," but that got removed.) —Cryptic 13:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that catch, I meant to include the "On Spotify" qualifier in my comment here as well. I would support a version like this then: "Taylor Swift releases her new album The Tortured Poets Department as a double album. On Spotify, the album breaks the record for most-streamed album in a single day and Swift breaks the record for most-streamed artist in a single day. (CBS News)" so that it is clear that these records are specific to Spotify and not necessarily all streaming. This version is based off my second re-addition (edit [9]) except I fixed the wording to just say she broke the record for most-streamed artist and not that she became it. --Pithon314 (talk) 19:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 13 May 2024

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Anchor Text: (Anadolu Agency) Hyperlink https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/russia-claims-to-have-taken-control-of-2-ukrainian-settlements/ Above page is 404 and some instance redirecting to https://www.aa.com.tr/en SpintaDigital (talk) 09:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Technically speaking, the subpage on which the item is located isn't protected, but I think WP:RUSUKR applies to it. Liu1126 (talk) 14:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The sun unleashes it's [sic] largest solar flare"

Should be: "The sun unleashes its largest solar flare". Understand the difference between its and it's; it's important. 192.147.118.254 (talk) 18:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed in Special:Diff/1224014734. Note, that everyone can edit the subpages for particular dates, like Portal:Current events/2024 May 14. When browsing Portal:Current events, just click the "edit" link in the top right corner of the smaller box, which is titled "May 14, 2024 (Tuesday)". —⁠andrybak (talk) 00:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Position of "Edit instructions" link is broken in Vector 2022

View Portal:Current events in the skin:

In Vector 2022, it seems that id="coordinates" isn't enough to put the edit instructions link:

<span id="coordinates" class="noprint">[[Portal:Current events/Edit instructions|Edit instructions]]</span>

to the top right corner – it is shown near the top at the left, as any wikitext paragraph. This wikitext used to work in Vector legacy (2010) because of a CSS rule for selector body.skin-vector-legacy #coordinates.

Would replacing <span id="coordinates">...</span> with an indicator, like what Module:Coordinates does, be possible? —⁠andrybak (talk) 01:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 14 July 2024

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Please replace line

<span id="coordinates" class="noprint">[[Portal:Current events/Edit instructions|Edit instructions]]</span>

with:

{{#tag:indicator|<span id="coordinates" class="noprint">[[Portal:Current events/Edit instructions|Edit instructions]]</span>|name=instructions}}

to fix the problem described above in #Position of "Edit instructions" link is broken in Vector 2022. Tested at Special:Permalink/1234436687. See also Special:Permalink/1234436973 for testing in different skins. —⁠andrybak (talk) 10:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

problem with today's article regarding the french protests against the far-right

A person's name's not working, the link. Wikipedia backwards (almost) v2.0 (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AedipikiwTwo, for the portal, you can edit Portal:Current events/2024 June 30 yourself. If you think there's a problem with the article 2024 French protests against the far-right, please bring it up at the talk page. —⁠andrybak (talk) 02:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incidents involving busses

Are bus accidents really global news? Is it because the death toll almost always >20? Seems like there's a crash about every week or more. Not sure if that should be an "ongoing issue" or not. ZCoupon (talk) 00:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's the WP:MINIMUMDEATHS debate all over again. I personally don't believe a bus plunge story is necessarily notable enough to be in "Current events", but higher casualty events very frequently get posted on ITN (where the bar for notability is a lot higher), so it isn't too surprising to see this kind of accidents here. The other issue is that we can't really guess whether it will fit WP:NSUSTAINED or not in advance, and a bus accident might have a lasting effect on the country's driving safety laws, or be forgotten the next week. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:01, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]